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#1 Liskiller

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:20 AM

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Asus Chairman Jonney Shih said in an interview that Windows 8 users are still using traditional desktop apps, so Windows RT couldn't be a successful platform on the short term.

 

People still use a lot of classic Windows apps, Shih said. Microsoft made other mistakes too, he said, noting that one of the most popular apps for Windows 8 is a program to bring back the classic Start menu. With Windows 8.1, Microsoft is bringing back the Start button to the Windows desktop but the start menu is still missing.

 

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#2 Frylock86

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

F*** that Start Menu. There's more to computing than that f***ing thing, and that's what the Start Screen does.

 

Also, if people still want desktop apps, Windows 8 Pro still runs them. Windows RT doesn't for the same reasons iOS doesn't run MacOSX apps.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:39 PM

F*** that Start Screen. There's more to computing than f***ing Metro Apps, and that's what the iPad does.



#4 Ultimate John

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:54 PM

F*** the Start Menu topics. A year has passed and we are still here whining about the Start Menu and Start Screen.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 04:10 PM

If people want some shoddy, decrepit, 90's era menu, then let them stick with Windows 7. The Start Screen has opened up a whole new world for PC users, and has a much brighter future than the Start Menu ever could.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 07:36 PM

F*** the Start Menu topics. A year has passed and we are still here whining about the Start Menu and Start Screen.

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F*** that Start Screen. There's more to computing than f***ing Metro Apps, and that's what the iPad does.

And you know what the iPad does? Full-screen apps, just like, y'know, Metro Apps. Yup. Somehow there's more to computing to that but it's okay when the iPad does it.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 05:26 AM

Except the iPad doesn't force its overly simplified interface and fullscreen-only apps on OSX

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Posted 07 August 2013 - 08:46 AM

Except the iPad doesn't force its overly simplified interface and fullscreen-only apps on OSX

and that's exactly why OSX is so much more popular than the iPad. /s

 

There is nothing simple about being simple.



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

Evolve or Die, amirite?



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Posted 07 August 2013 - 05:35 PM

And you know what the iPad does? Full-screen apps, just like, y'know, Metro Apps. Yup. Somehow there's more to computing to that but it's okay when the iPad does it.

 

And, of course, we're comparing Windows's Start Menu with iPad's full-screen apps, because iPad is one of the most powerful PCs out there...

 

In case you still find it hard to understand what's the problem about - Start screen is the perfect home screen for the touch-enabled devices, such as tablets and mobile phones ( and comparing it with iPad's home screen is totally fine ). But the desktop still needs a proper launcher, and the Start screen just doesn't make it!



#11 QuashPhillips

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 12:39 AM

LOL @ start screen vs start menu.  Microsoft did a horrible job with the PR on this.  The People always have and always will be resistant to chage.


 

@mediar I dont see your argument at all.  I primarly stay in the desktop environment, and the start screen IS the launcher.  The start screen is perfect. It's the start menu on steroids. Everything is seamless.  Especially with Windows 8.1. 



#12 Frylock86

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:09 AM

Except the iPad doesn't force its overly simplified interface and fullscreen-only apps on OSX

 

And neither does Windows 8 force Metro apps.



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

And, of course, we're comparing Windows's Start Menu with iPad's full-screen apps, because iPad is one of the most powerful PCs out there...
 
In case you still find it hard to understand what's the problem about - Start screen is the perfect home screen for the touch-enabled devices, such as tablets and mobile phones ( and comparing it with iPad's home screen is totally fine ). But the desktop still needs a proper launcher, and the Start screen just doesn't make it!

I think Microsoft has sort of fixed that in Windows 8.1 - you can replace going to the start screen with the 'All Apps' view, which works very well, and I suspect Desktop diehards would want to use this setup.
 
And TBH, the iPad is pretty powerful, the GPU in that thing is able to drive a display resolution that is at least 3 times higher than the one in current-gen ultrabooks without even the need for active cooling. Current ultrabooks have GPUs that actually less powerful than the one in the iPad, and laptops with powerful dedicated discrete GPUs kill battery life while letting you fry an egg on your palmrest (and we STILL don't get high res displays).
 
When you're talking about the CPU, then yes, the PC has the advantage over the iPads. However, no one cares about the speed of the CPU anymore. Who cares if the iPad's CPU is slower than our core i5's and i7's? It gets 10 hours of battery life and people find utility in that, not in a faster CPU.

 

 

Microsoft did a horrible job with the PR on this.

 

Microsoft? horrible at marketing and PR? I would have never guessed  :lol:



#14 Matt Sims

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 05:05 AM

I agree, it was a mistake. The start screen is a downgrade in desktop productivity/efficiency compared to the start menu.

 

"Boot to desktop" and "disable edge shortcuts" in Win 8.1 is a first step, but there's still a lot of work to do. MS should add this functionality to the start screen for desktop user productivity and efficiency.

 

1. Resizable start screen, so it doesn't cover the entire desktop.
2. True context menu access from the start screen. Renaming and deleting shortcuts, etc.
3. All Apps sorted in even columns with nesting.
4. Nested control panel, network, favorites, recent documents/programs, restart/shutdown, etc.
5. Metro apps should be able to run in a window on the desktop.
6. Traditional search from the start screen.
7. Fix the new explorer ribbon, networks sidebar, notifications, newly metro-ized dialogue boxes, etc.

 



#15 QuashPhillips

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:30 AM

1. Solved with a second monitor, but point taken, most people dont have multiple monitors
2. Already able to do this in 8.1
3. Already able to do this in 8.1
4. Already able to do this in 8.1
5. Solved with a second monitor, but point taken, most people dont have multiple monitors
6. Already able to do this in 8.1
7. Tit for tat, I like the new ribbon, wish there was more third party support


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