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[Secured Tim]

[yanike]

Ok that's just violent and stupid.

[pcHuntqwerty]

..but true

[Preath]

..but true

Nope, if we go by this logic.. its just the same about PCs. Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one. You also dont have to "kill" your previous hardware just because you upgrade to newer one, just use it for an another purpose, like with Mac Mini you can make it as a server or give it away and such. So.. if you kill your previous hardware, it would also be the exact same thing with a stationary PC, the only thing you can keep is the chassis, the mac has to be switched all at once.

Yes i took this picture very literally.

[Airflow]

..but true

Nope, if we go by this logic.. its just the same about PCs. Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one. You also dont have to "kill" your previous hardware just because you upgrade to newer one, just use it for an another purpose, like with Mac Mini you can make it as a server or give it away and such. So.. if you kill your previous hardware, it would also be the exact same thing with a stationary PC, the only thing you can keep is the chassis, the mac has to be switched all at once.

Yes i took this picture very literally.

So what you said applies to laptops, sure, because most, if not all laptops are limited to only RAM upgrades.. I don't know if Macbooks have upgradeable RAM but whatever.. Anyway in terms of desktops you cannot upgrade anything on an iMac except its RAM, whereas on a PC desktop you can make many upgrades, like upgrading the CPU, HDD, GPU, cooling, PSU.. you don't necessarily need a new motherboard to do those.. but even then you can upgrade the motherboard on a PC but afaik you can't do that on an iMac.. So the point of the cartoon still holds true.

I didn't take it literally but this post made my eyebrows have an erection. (crude)

[FalseAgent]

i'm a Windows user and I disagree. Apple has made it really easy and irresistible for Snow Leopard users to upgrade to Lion, and now, from Lion to Mountain Lion. Upgrading your OS and other software on OSX is so seamless, even Your Mom™ could do it.

However, upgrading the hardware of a Mac is a different story. And in this context only, the picture OP posted is true. The Retina display MBP is practically unserviceable.

Edited by FalseAgent, 30 July 2012 - 10:29 AM.

[Borix]

A bit of troll bait this comic. I know this site is called winmatrix, but I think win, osx and linux users should feel right at home here.

This post doenst seem to result in an PC - OSX rant so it ok by me

[SurB86]

So this thread is not going to turn into a flamewar... I'm surprised, but in a good way.

[Jo-Mamma]

Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one.

Sigh. Another Mac guy trying to justify his purchase with garbage knowledge.

I have an Alienware Laptop; I can upgrade the gpu, cpu, memory, cd-rom, display, and battery two years after the model has been discontinued from production. That includes the newest and greatest technology like the 7XXX series ATI cards etc. Your statement about laptops in general, NOT being upgradeable is false. Making your argument and logic invalid. If you were speaking about Mac's specifically, then yes, you're accurate. They've even done away with user-swappable batteries...

Mac's are meant to be a closed and tightly orchestrated platform, hence why they excel at "just working". Where Windows is an open and broadly adopted platform that often has quirky problems or behavior, simply due to the fact, it cannot be made to work for everything in every combination and scenario out of the box (simply impossible).


Windows, OSX, Linux, they'll install on anything, no matter what brand or model. If hardware flexibility is important to you, buying something with an Apple on it is obviously a negative - period. THAT is the statement here.


After all, Mac's are designed for idiots they say. Last time I checked, the tool's in Starbucks writing their showplays and scripts on their identical Apple hardware that they believe makes them "unique" and "individual" from eachother don't know jack about what "RAM" or a "CPU" is or does or if they can upgrade them. Hah...

Edited by Jo-Mamma, 31 July 2012 - 03:57 AM.

[Borix]

Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one.

Sigh. Another Mac guy trying to justify his purchase with garbage knowledge.

Sigh. Another PC guy trying to justify his purchase with garbage knowledge.

See what I did there?

No PC Mac trolling please...

[Afzal]

Mac's are meant to be a closed and tightly orchestrated platform, hence why they excel at "just working". Where Windows is an open and broadly adopted platform that often has quirky problems or behavior, simply due to the fact, it cannot be made to work for everything in every combination and scenario out of the box (simply impossible).


Windows, OSX, Linux, they'll install on anything, no matter what brand or model. If hardware flexibility is important to you, buying something with an Apple on it is obviously a negative - period. THAT is the statement here.


After all, Mac's are designed for idiots they say. Last time I checked, the tool's in Starbucks writing their showplays and scripts on their identical Apple hardware that they believe makes them "unique" and "individual" from eachother don't know jack about what "RAM" or a "CPU" is or does or if they can upgrade them. Hah...

Funniest shit I ever read on WM.

1. Windows is far from open.
2. Macs are designed for idiots? That is a highly ignorant sentence.

[hb860]

I personally don't like the image, even that was true.

[Preath]

Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one.

*garbage -snip-*

Rage much?

Me, Mac guy? Ohohoho.. oh stop it, you!
Youre so cool with your upgradable Alienware! You said that i meant Laptops in general, YES laptops in general isnt modular. Alienware is hardly a laptop in general (non-common PC). Your argument is invalid. Hardware flexlibility isnt important for me, when did i say that? I just mentioned that laptops in the PC world cant be upgradable either, just RAM. So then we have a logic that fits this image as it applies to Macs too. Macbooks are Macs, right?

I ignore some parts of your text. Ignorance is a bless is what they say.

[Preath]

..but true

Nope, if we go by this logic.. its just the same about PCs. Laptops cant be upgraded unless you switch it out to a new one. You also dont have to "kill" your previous hardware just because you upgrade to newer one, just use it for an another purpose, like with Mac Mini you can make it as a server or give it away and such. So.. if you kill your previous hardware, it would also be the exact same thing with a stationary PC, the only thing you can keep is the chassis, the mac has to be switched all at once.

Yes i took this picture very literally.

So what you said applies to laptops, sure, because most, if not all laptops are limited to only RAM upgrades.. I don't know if Macbooks have upgradeable RAM but whatever.. Anyway in terms of desktops you cannot upgrade anything on an iMac except its RAM, whereas on a PC desktop you can make many upgrades, like upgrading the CPU, HDD, GPU, cooling, PSU.. you don't necessarily need a new motherboard to do those.. but even then you can upgrade the motherboard on a PC but afaik you can't do that on an iMac.. So the point of the cartoon still holds true.

I didn't take it literally but this post made my eyebrows have an erection. (crude)

Hehe yeah, youre right.

[Jo-Mamma]

Rage much?Me, Mac guy? Ohohoho.. oh stop it, you!Youre so cool with your upgradable Alienware! You said that i meant Laptops in general, YES laptops in general isnt modular. Alienware is hardly a laptop in general (non-common PC). Your argument is invalid. Hardware flexlibility isnt important for me, when did i say that? I just mentioned that laptops in the PC world cant be upgradable either, just RAM. So then we have a logic that fits this image as it applies to Macs too. Macbooks are Macs, right?I ignore some parts of your text. Ignorance is a bless is what they say.

Ohohohoho... oh stop it, you! You're so cool with your sarcastic smart-assery, very clever! It's almost as if you've done this before! *rolls eyes*

I don't recall writing in caps, nor throwing out nasty threats to give you any indication of "rage".

Do some research and educate your ignorance (or was it a bliss?). Apple's current offerings have gone BACKWARDS in user serviceable parts and options. You don't even have the ability to purchase extra batteries or have the ability to swap it out without taking the entire system apart. Far from comparing to "GENERAL" systems as your claiming.

I've owned systems from all sorts of brands, Dell, Alienware, Clevo, Asus, etc. and frankly, everyone of them the CPU, Ram, CD-ROm and Battery were a -MINIMUM- option to upgrade, replace and service. So yes, "General" computers are very much MORE modular then Macs. And by the way, Alienware is very much a "general" brand, considering you can purchase them at best buy and futureshop for the same price if not less then a lower end Mac.

This has nothing to do with Windows or Mac, it's common knowledge if you know anything about hardware. Clearly I'm not the only one challenging your comments.

You were saying so proudly in your own bliss of ignorance?

Edited by Jo-Mamma, 31 July 2012 - 11:39 PM.

[Borix]

Lets agree to disagree and move on.

Edited by Borix, 01 August 2012 - 07:38 AM.

[Preath]

Lets agree to disagree and move on.

Yes, i agree with you. I would rather do something better then explaining stuff for someone that that misses points and take this too far seriously (PC fanboy).

Moving on...

[Afzal]

First of all, to the ignorant laptop users in this thread. Almost all non-Mac laptops are RAM, CPU and HDD upgradeable. Upgradeable mobile GPUs are a rarity because most of them are on the board.

To the Mac haters, RAM and HDD/DVD-drive on Macbook Pros are Upgradable and Apple provides instructions for the first two. I know because I swapped my new macbook's dvd drive with an SSD.

Thirdly, most people buy Macs due to the software and build quality. Tell me when Windows laptops get something like internet recovery where you can basically erase your whole drive, delete all partitions and reinstall the OS just by having an internet connection. Doesn't even require a key. Pirating softwares is also easier on a Mac.

I know I bought a Mac because I got tired of Ubuntu 12.04 breaking the whole experience and the counter-productive state and future of Windows, I also know my Macbook Pro will last for at least two years and I'll be able to sell it for $1400+ after two years.

Edited by Afzal, 01 August 2012 - 11:42 PM.

[Preath]

First of all, to the ignorant laptop users in this thread. Almost all non-Mac laptops are RAM, CPU and HDD upgradeable. Upgradeable mobile GPUs are a rarity because most of them are on the board.

To the Mac haters, RAM and HDD/DVD-drive on Macbook Pros are Upgradable and Apple provides instructions for the first two. I know because I swapped my new macbook's dvd drive with an SSD.

Thirdly, most people buy Macs due to the software and build quality. Tell me when Windows laptops get something like internet recovery where you can basically erase your whole drive, delete all partitions and reinstall the OS just by having an internet connection. Doesn't even require a key. Pirating softwares is also easier on a Mac.

I know I bought a Mac because I got tired of Ubuntu 12.04 breaking the whole experience and the counter-productive state and future of Windows, I also know my Macbook Pro will last for at least two years and I'll be able to sell it for $1400+ after two years.

I hope you didnt include me among the "ignorant laptop users" because i havent experienced or seen any modern upgradable CPU, GPU laptops. But RAM, HDD and DVD drive, that i know for sure. The majority of all laptops comes with CPU and GPU onboard, so.

For the Mac part, i also know that you can upgrade RAM and switch HDD or add one more HDD, atleast to the Mac Mini 2011, as i have one. So i am very aware of that.

I also AGREE with you VERY MUCH about your statement about Mac is easier, Linux breaks and Windows counter-productive!

I am using Windows 7 on my stationary PC until the end of support, and if i get forced to go with Windows 8 i'd rather stick with Linux, which has a brighter future in gaming, since Valve are making Steam to support Linux and open up possibilities of gaming there, so thats great! (Replace Windows with Ubuntu for gaming).

I am very happy with Mac as my daily use computer.

[Afzal]

First of all, to the ignorant laptop users in this thread. Almost all non-Mac laptops are RAM, CPU and HDD upgradeable. Upgradeable mobile GPUs are a rarity because most of them are on the board.

To the Mac haters, RAM and HDD/DVD-drive on Macbook Pros are Upgradable and Apple provides instructions for the first two. I know because I swapped my new macbook's dvd drive with an SSD.

Thirdly, most people buy Macs due to the software and build quality. Tell me when Windows laptops get something like internet recovery where you can basically erase your whole drive, delete all partitions and reinstall the OS just by having an internet connection. Doesn't even require a key. Pirating softwares is also easier on a Mac.

I know I bought a Mac because I got tired of Ubuntu 12.04 breaking the whole experience and the counter-productive state and future of Windows, I also know my Macbook Pro will last for at least two years and I'll be able to sell it for $1400+ after two years.

I hope you didnt include me among the "ignorant laptop users" because i havent experienced or seen any modern upgradable CPU, GPU laptops. But RAM, HDD and DVD drive, that i know for sure. The majority of all laptops comes with CPU and GPU onboard, so.

For the Mac part, i also know that you can upgrade RAM and switch HDD or add one more HDD, atleast to the Mac Mini 2011, as i have one. So i am very aware of that.

I also AGREE with you VERY MUCH about your statement about Mac is easier, Linux breaks and Windows counter-productive!

I am using Windows 7 on my stationary PC until the end of support, and if i get forced to go with Windows 8 i'd rather stick with Linux, which has a brighter future in gaming, since Valve are making Steam to support Linux and open up possibilities of gaming there, so thats great! (Replace Windows with Ubuntu for gaming).

I am very happy with Mac as my daily use computer.

Go to notebookreview forums, you'll find how to replace CPUs in most laptops. CPUs are not on board on normal laptops with i3/i5/i7/C2D etc, only ARM and I think, Atom laptops have SoC. I gave up linux when Ubuntu 12.04 destroyed the awesomeness that I was experiencing with Elementary OS Jupiter, guess I just wanted to upgrade some software. Never bothered trying to set up Kubuntu or Linux Mint after that, got too tired of that stuff.

Some people actually like the Windows work-flow. Oh well, good for them. I can't stand it and I use Windows at work daily.

Edited by Afzal, 02 August 2012 - 04:36 AM.