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[Afzal]

I am probably one of Yanike's biggest haters on this website but I want to disagree with you here.

Have you EVER even TRIED Ubuntu?

Windows can't be as "powerful" (subjective word) as Linux until it's re-written from scratch. Also, since you said you're a student of IT, I really do feel pity for you for not realizing the importance of a command line backend. I will give you one example out of a billion:

I run a script or a software in Windows, it crashes...what do I do? Run it again, try to find causes of the crash using some random testing method.

I run a script or a software in Ubuntu,it crashes...what do I do? Run it from the command line and observe the point where it crashes...why? COZ IT SHOWS THE OUTPUT I NEED TO FIND THE CAUSE DIRECTLY.


Go try something first before you start ridiculing it. The only reason people like you think Windows is an unmatched OS is because of games. You can do everything that you can do on Windows AND do it faster on Ubuntu. Many of Windows's useful softwares have been ported over from their linux versions.

True there are many things in Ubuntu that are better utilized using GUI but thanks to a CLI backend, you don't have the rewrite the damn thing just for that. That's why it's SO extendable.

I wasn't coming at him as an IT student. I as was coming at him as your average user. Which was the point of this article... Microsoft is adding to the power of the GUI, and simplifying this for them. They're not going to bother at all with a CLI. I may be going into IT, but I am a consumer first and foremost, when I am not at school or work. I don't code, or make scripts. I watch movies, Listen to music, browse the web, and play games, etc.

FYI and AFAIK...you are one of the few IT students who has yet to realize the value of the linux platform...wish you luck.

Personally, Linux holds no value to me.... On the consumer side, It's just a loose collection of people's weekend projects, that lack any professional backing, and even those that do are pretty poor (ex: Open Office, or whatever it's called this week). All the programs I have installed on my Ubuntu box have not impressed me enough to even power up that machine over my Win7 box. The only time I'm on Ubuntu is when I am doing my banking. That's it. Linux has no value to consumers at all.

@bold: what do you mean by "hiding" behind CLI? Think of CLI in linux as a complement to the GUI...again, you wouldn't know this until you've actually using the linux terminal, it's not the same as a Windows prompt.

There is no transparency at all with a CLI, you don't know what's there or not there unless you know all the commands like the back of your hand.

All the commands like the back of your hand? WHAT?!

I, by no means, know all the commands like the back of my hand but I can probably do most of the Ubuntu stuff that I need using the Terminal. There's this auto-complete kinda feature which you can use by pressing Tab (I think) and it completes the command for you, or filename for that matter.

What do you mean by consumer value? If people try, they can do most of the things on linux that they can do on Windows bar video/voice chatting on MSN which is still not stable yet.

These days, all most people need is a web browser. Give them Chromium on a linux box, they'll be able to type documents, listen to music, watch movies, make presentations, do spreadsheets, do graphics/video/audio editing, develop websites, host websites, etc...then what exactly does Windows have that Linux doesn't (for an average non-gaming person) ?

Heck, I plugged my printer on Ubuntu and it was set up in 10 seconds FLAT! On Windows 7, I had to wait for it to find 5 kinds of drivers and let it install which took about a minute...that's without the bloat that HP's cd contains.

I think that using a Linux OS, a person becomes more aware of their computer...it allows them to appreciate the hardware.

Lacks any professional backing? Canonical, Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Intel, Compaq (HP), Mandriva...they're all VERY professional companies. Again, you come off as a person who hasn't invested enough time or interest into the linux OSes...so it's pretty useless to argue with you about something you don't even know about completely. Also, nobody's arguing how linux holds less consumer value to you personally, I'm arguing your assumption that CLI is "so 1990" and the thing that an average joe can't use CLI, heck...I'll tell you how I use CLI, I GOOGLE what I wanna do and lo and behold! The steps are there to follow! And your second point that Windows is more powerful than linux because M$ made it so user-friendly.

Newsflash: User-friendly =/= Powerful. Both are very different things, while M$ has made it User-friendly, although that's still not done...it's nowhere near the efficiency, speed and power of a linux box. That's why requirements of most linux distros are so less than Windows's requirements.

@Yanike...Lol, I think it has to do with how you put your hand into EVERYTHING and most of those things fall short of my expectations .... and don't call them cheerleaders, they're groupies

Edited by Afzal, 27 March 2011 - 03:46 AM.

[yanike]

@Afzal,
In tech, I'm like a kid in a cookie jar factory. I love challenges and taking on big task. The OS was one jar I should have kept my hands out of without a team of power developers.

I also like the fact that you come at me real on my projects. It pushed me to tackle more things recently with Sagenote. I'm almost done with Photos and will be working on the other apps and voice integration soon. Android is going to be a challenge with the slow ass SDK, but when I get finished with everything and have apps on mobile and desktop, Evernote, Simplenote, and Catch are going to be battling a monster that has what they have and other apps people be purchasing all the time in app stores all in one.

I didn't expect this thread to turn into a flame war. I had no intentions of insulting ComedyGuy aka FalseAgent (Dude is like the Prince of WinMatrix with his name changing. Hope he doesn't use a symbol next). What will his groupies do then? lol as they +1 +1.

Well it's been fun and educational. Now I need to hit the clubs and chill with my bud Light. He's always cool, but I can only take him in doses.

[Afzal]

@Afzal,
In tech, I'm like a kid in a cookie jar factory. I love challenges and taking on big task. The OS was one jar I should have kept my hands out of without a team of power developers.

I also like the fact that you come at me real on my projects. It pushed me to tackle more things recently with Sagenote. I'm almost done with Photos and will be working on the other apps and voice integration soon. Android is going to be a challenge with the slow ass SDK, but when I get finished with everything and have apps on mobile and desktop, Evernote, Simplenote, and Catch are going to be battling a monster that has what they have and other apps people be purchasing all the time in app stores all in one.

I didn't expect this thread to turn into a flame war. I had no intentions of insulting ComedyGuy aka FalseAgent (Dude is like the Prince of WinMatrix with his name changing. Hope he doesn't use a symbol next). What will his groupies do then? lol as they +1 +1.

Well it's been fun and educational. Now I need to hit the clubs and chill with my bud Light. He's always cool, but I can only take him in doses.

I look forward to it then...and Psh...Bud Light?! Seriously? Drink some real beer man.

[club90]

@Afzal,
In tech, I'm like a kid in a cookie jar factory. I love challenges and taking on big task. The OS was one jar I should have kept my hands out of without a team of power developers.

I also like the fact that you come at me real on my projects. It pushed me to tackle more things recently with Sagenote. I'm almost done with Photos and will be working on the other apps and voice integration soon. Android is going to be a challenge with the slow ass SDK, but when I get finished with everything and have apps on mobile and desktop, Evernote, Simplenote, and Catch are going to be battling a monster that has what they have and other apps people be purchasing all the time in app stores all in one.

I didn't expect this thread to turn into a flame war. I had no intentions of insulting ComedyGuy aka FalseAgent (Dude is like the Prince of WinMatrix with his name changing. Hope he doesn't use a symbol next). What will his groupies do then? lol as they +1 +1.

Well it's been fun and educational. Now I need to hit the clubs and chill with my bud Light. He's always cool, but I can only take him in doses.

I look forward to it then...and Psh...Bud Light?! Seriously? Drink some real beer man.

Shi* man fu** bud light and every other beer!
its all about 4loko and vodka!

[Frylock86]

Wow, Bitching going on between Yanike and Frylock.

I'm not bitching directly at Yanike. He has a PoV and is entitled to it, but at the same time, not everyone wants to dig around a CLI. For consumers, it's a non starter. If an option isn't not there front and center, they're not going digging for it, but at the same time, Windows 7 offers power users some pretty powerful tools to work with. They're there if you know where to look for them.

My way of doing things, especially when it comes do dealing with people and computers, is this; you have to think like them. The more the complicated and confusing, the more it will be ignored. If I have to open a prompt to do something, forget it. I'll go out of my way to avoid it, if the same option isn't available in the GUI. Even the networking tools in the CLI are for the most part available in the GUI if you know where to look.

Edited by Frylock86, 27 March 2011 - 06:11 AM.

[FalseAgent]

Let me ask something real quick. Where did I disrespect you???

genius! it's features like these that make windows still the unmatched desktop OS!

LOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this coming feature makes Windows unmatched then Ubuntu already blows them out of the water.

sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop

sudo reboot

Reinstalls the OS files and also keep your programs intact. You can use the same command to reinstall applications.

Nice feature for Windows though, not new, but nice feature. Windows makes it more user-friendly I give them that.

I just laughed. I didn't call you any names or anything. Now as for you.

LOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stopped reading there.

Like after that point I didn't say something true, which I wasn't attacking you in anyway.

And then:

it's okay, you win. Yanike, big guy, big boss of several companies, and fuxpr0 developer.

You taught me 3 new things today which will be valuable lessons for my life going forward:
- I should stop living in denial
- I should read things fully because my knowledge is "pretty much basic"
- I should be okay with people pointing out and making fun of the stupid things that I may say


NOTE TO SELF: so how did this become personal again? oh wait, yes, that guy, he's out to disrespect and is willing shoot down any small little post containing erroneousness in order to gain bragging rights. I therefore don't have to feel victimized. Moving along...

Dude, you seriously have some issues ComedyGuy.. I mean FalseAgent. Damn, before I used to port things over that you liked and even was nice to you.

http://www.winmatrix...me-for-firefox/

you conveniently omitted your post in there, please take a look your post again and then see why I responded as such:

Well keep reading, because you said something stupid. And your +1 fan is as blind as you. You seriously acted like Microsoft invented something new that no other OS has and then glorified them for it.

It's ok to say things stupid and be pointed out for it. Stop living in denial. It's funny how you post something and then get a reply that makes your comment silly and then you post back acting like you didn't read it. You can try to block it out, but Ubuntu already has that feature and like you stated, but in a different way that is why Ubuntu is unmatched in desktop OSes. You probably didn't know Ubuntu had that feature, because like you stated before, you don't read things fully. So pretty much your knowledge is basic.

also,

Guess, you can't always be nice to everyone. This shows that no matter what, people will always turn on you.

I said you win, and I confessed that I didn't know that ubuntu had such a feature (really, it is cool that ubuntu has that feature, I don't even mind CLI). I admitted my mistake, what's the problem? you're feeling butthurt for no reason (unless you feel butthurt that my posts somehow gets a +1 LOL). Stop bringing up my name change as if it was something relevant, it was years ago. And stop bringing up the +1 thing also...it isn't something that I control. I don't have "cheerleaders" here that follow me. What the heck.

Edited by FalseAgent, 27 March 2011 - 09:16 AM.

[old5chool]

Lol, sry guys couldn't help myself. xd

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[yanike]

Dude, you seriously have some issues ComedyGuy.. I mean FalseAgent. Damn, before I used to port things over that you liked and even was nice to you.

http://www.winmatrix...me-for-firefox/

you conveniently omitted your post in there, please take a look your post again and then see why I responded as such:

Well keep reading, because you said something stupid. And your +1 fan is as blind as you. You seriously acted like Microsoft invented something new that no other OS has and then glorified them for it.

It's ok to say things stupid and be pointed out for it. Stop living in denial. It's funny how you post something and then get a reply that makes your comment silly and then you post back acting like you didn't read it. You can try to block it out, but Ubuntu already has that feature and like you stated, but in a different way that is why Ubuntu is unmatched in desktop OSes. You probably didn't know Ubuntu had that feature, because like you stated before, you don't read things fully. So pretty much your knowledge is basic.

also,

Guess, you can't always be nice to everyone. This shows that no matter what, people will always turn on you.

I said you win, and I confessed that I didn't know that ubuntu had such a feature (really, it is cool that ubuntu has that feature, I don't even mind CLI). I admitted my mistake, what's the problem? you're feeling butthurt for no reason (unless you feel butthurt that my posts somehow gets a +1 LOL). Stop bringing up my name change as if it was something relevant, it was years ago. And stop bringing up the +1 thing also...it isn't something that I control. I don't have "cheerleaders" here that follow me. What the heck.

Ok. First, I said you said something stupid.. again said something stupid. I didn't call you stupid. When I said you was blind, I was meaning blind to the fact that other OSes have that feature. I said you was in denial, because you acted like what I said after I laughed wasn't true or worth reading. Then I stated that you don't read things fully, so your knowledge is basic. Not an insult, just fact. Not calling you stupid, just saying if you don't know about other things and then post that first comment like you did, you seem noobish. I never was out to attack you and I didn't say anything that attacked you personally. You was the only one that did. And again, what's with the butthurt comment? Again, you are the only one being rude.

Lol, sry guys couldn't help myself. xd

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LOL! They follow him like Yes Men!

Edited by yanike, 27 March 2011 - 07:17 PM.

[FalseAgent]

really? you still want to pursue this?

Not an insult, just fact.

You're passing off your opinions as facts. Your opinions that you pass off as facts apply only to yourself. It may be a fact to you, but it's something else to others.

Not calling you stupid, just saying if you don't know about other things and then post that first comment like you did, you seem noobish.

okay, yes, so I "seem noobish". so what? What's your point? I shouldn't post my comments anymore, is that your point? Why is that such a big problem to you if I seem noobish? Why does it even matter? Oh wait, I know why - you get the opportunity to brag about your supposedly superior extensive knowledge and then condescend on me by shooting down my "noobishness" in that one first comment I made. That's probably why it matters so much to you.

I said you said something stupid.. again said something stupid. I didn't call you stupid.

do you have any idea how contradictory that sounds? they both sound like the same thing, and they both carry the same implied meaning. so can I say that you're bragging? I'm just saying that you're bragging, i'm not calling you a bragger.

I never was out to attack you and I didn't say anything that attacked you personally.

uh, yes, sure. This is totally not rude, and is totally not a personal attack, you gave it away yourself:

You said something stupid.
Your +1 fan is as blind as you.
It's ok to say things stupid and be pointed out for it.
Stop living in denial.
It's funny how you post something and then get a reply that makes your comment silly
Your knowledge is basic.
I'm fixing to go back to really proving what I say and start smashing brains in.

I don't know what you're getting at. If you're all out to prove that I didn't know "about other things" before I posted that first comment (which I have already confessed to), then congratulations, you have made your point already. I get it.

Edited by FalseAgent, 27 March 2011 - 10:19 PM.

[yanike]

@FalseAgent
Damn kid you need to grow up. You seriously take things the wrong way.

You're passing off your opinions as facts. Your opinions that you pass off as facts apply only to yourself. It may be a fact to you, but it's something else to others.

Nope. It's fact when you don't read and say silly things.

Not calling you stupid, just saying if you don't know about other things and then post that first comment like you did, you seem noobish.

okay, yes, so I "seem noobish". so what? What's your point? I shouldn't post my comments anymore, is that your point? Why is that such a big problem to you if I seem noobish? Why does it even matter? Oh wait, I know why - you get the opportunity to brag about your supposedly superior extensive knowledge and then condescend on me by shooting down my "noobishness" in that one first comment I made. That's probably why it matters so much to you.

also, Not calling me stupid, just saying I don't know about other things? do you have any idea how contradictory that sounds? they both sound like the same thing, and they both carry the same implied meaning.

Somebody call the bitch police. This guy seriously just took something very little and made it a major problem and then is trying to make me look out to brag about something I didn't even brag about. I posted a small fact about Ubuntu, kid. I didn't be like, "I use Ubuntu and I'm GOD!" Damn you exaggerate a lot. Also, AGAIN when did I insult YOU in my first post. f**k, where did I brag, call you out, or anything AgentDrama?

Also, not knowing something doesn't mean your stupid. I'm not going to call someone stupid, because they don't know something that I know. You need to learn the meaning of contradiction. If I said your not stupid, just a simpleton. Then I would be contradicting, because I used two words that mean the exact same thing. I'm really starting to wonder about you FalseAgent.

I never was out to attack you and I didn't say anything that attacked you personally.

uh, yes, sure. This is totally not rude, and is totally not a personal attack, you gave it away yourself:

You said something stupid.
Your +1 fan is as blind as you.
It's ok to say things stupid and be pointed out for it.
Stop living in denial.
It's funny how you post something and then get a reply that makes your comment silly
Your knowledge is basic.
I'm fixing to go back to really proving what I say and start smashing brains in.

Dude, it's seriously the way you are taking it. Read it fully.

Please read this again and understand this fully FalseAgent:
Ok. First, I said you said something stupid.. again said something stupid. I didn't call you stupid. When I said you was blind, I was meaning blind to the fact that other OSes have that feature. I said you was in denial, because you acted like what I said after I laughed wasn't true or worth reading. Then I stated that you don't read things fully, so your knowledge is basic. Not an insult, just fact. Not calling you stupid, just saying if you don't know about other things and then post that first comment like you did, you seem noobish. I never was out to attack you and I didn't say anything that attacked you personally. You was the only one that did. And again, what's with the butthurt comment? Again, you are the only one being rude.

Also remember me saying this:

See lately I've been posting what I think and lately been letting y'all throw jokes at me and not saying anything to stop flames from starting. I'm fixing to go back to really proving what I say and start smashing brains in.

You showed your light again FalseAgent. Taking something harmless I said and then attacking me rudely and saying I'm out to hurt people. Through out all this, you are the only one who call me names, saying I'm butthurt, and some more shit. Look in the mirror and point at yourself.

I said you said something stupid.. again said something stupid. I didn't call you stupid.

so can I say that you're bragging? I'm just saying that you're bragging, i'm not calling you a bragger.

I don't know what you're getting at. If you're all out to prove that I didn't know "about other things" before I posted that first comment (which I have already confessed to), then congratulations, you have made your point already. I get it.

Dude, you made it that way. I just simply posted that Ubuntu has that feature. I never said, "FalseAgent your an idiot! Ubuntu has that feature already. I use it and I'm GOD and the OS is GOD SEND!"

Man, you are really starting to come across to me as a drama-setter.

Edited by yanike, 27 March 2011 - 10:41 PM.

[FalseAgent]

Man, you need to grow up. You seriously take things the wrong way.

Same to you, my friend. You need to grow up as well. The best part is that you're probably much older than me already as it is.

Then again, you probably like drama.

Looks like you resort to bringing up all sorts of your own various random assumptions into the topic when you run out of things to say. At least I confessed and admitted what I didn't know instead of putting up an act...so much for me liking drama when there's an actor around.

Edited by FalseAgent, 27 March 2011 - 10:38 PM.

[yanike]

Man, you need to grow up. You seriously take things the wrong way.

Same to you, my friend. You need to grow up as well. The best part is that you're probably much older than me already as it is.

I'm grown buddy. Your the child that's attacking. You been doing it for awhile with your +1 +1 crew.

LOL! Again you are trying to slick insult. Your immaturity is just shocking.

Then again, you probably like drama.

Looks like you resort to bringing up all sorts of your own various random assumptions into the topic when you run out of things to say. At least I confessed and admitted what I didn't know instead of putting up an act...so much for me liking drama when there's an actor around.

Damn again with another insult. No assumptions made, I didn't run out of things to say, and I even modified my prior post to go more into detail and try to make you understand that you are overreacting.

I NEVER ATTACK YOU, MAN! WHEN I POSTED I JUST LAUGHED, YOU KNOW LOL, THEN SAID WHAT I WANTED NOT ATTACKING OR MENTIONING YOU IN ANY WAY.

I bet... I BET... If I just posted, "Ubuntu". You could find 50 ways to make it an argument.

Edited by yanike, 27 March 2011 - 10:55 PM.

[FalseAgent]

*snip*

bleh you're stuck in your own box. You think that whatever I say is rude and whatever you're saying isn't rude at all. I'm not sure if you're aware of the tone of your posts and how offensive they sound, because you keep claiming that they aren't rude even when they are in fact very rude.

ugh, you edited your post. i'm not even going to bother responding to it.

you just aren't man enough to admit your mistakes. Your pride and and stubbornness won't let you anyway.

Edited by FalseAgent, 28 March 2011 - 10:26 AM.

[yanike]

*snip*

bleh you're stuck in your own box. You think that whatever I say is rude and whatever you're saying isn't rude at all. I'm not sure if you're aware of the tone of your posts and how offensive they sound, because you keep claiming that they aren't rude even when they are in fact very rude.

ugh, you edited your post. i'm not even going to bother responding to it.

you just aren't man enough to admit your mistakes. Your pride and and stubbornness won't let you anyway.

I'm stuck in my own box??? What are you talking about? I didn't say anything rude until you came with mess. You think that you can post something slick rude and then when someone points it out, you try to make them look like the jerk.

This is where it all started buddy. Like it or not.

LOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stopped reading there.

You didn't have to post that. You felt the need to widely share that you didn't care what I said and felt what I said was pointless. Maybe you should think before you post. You always seem to find a way to plant a seed and when it grows, act like you are the innocent one.

I just laughed at that small part you said, because it was funny to me. I wasn't out to get you dude. This bullshit anger and drama you have towards me needs to stop. It's getting old. Especially, when you just start shit for no reason. I have no problem with you. Some people here just have mad hate towards people for no reason. I mean damn, if I didn't shoot you, stab you, punch you, or hurt someone close to you, then you shouldn't have hate towards me. I can't believe a post on here can cause so much hate.

Edited by yanike, 28 March 2011 - 07:48 PM.

[old5chool]

Just for the record, since you quoted my post, I wasn't taking any sides here - just cheering for the awesome flame. Good thing it hadn't turned (too) ugly. :$ Tnx. =)

ps.
Yeah, apologies if I offended anyone 2. xD

Edited by old5chool, 30 March 2011 - 05:13 AM.

[CAS91572]

Linux = True power users.
Windows = Internet grannies and gamers.
Mac = Snobs and the rich.

So true Villain!

I design websites and I prefer unix servers as my site hosts. Therefor I taught my self Linux. I use Kubuntu. I wouldn't be in windows 7 at all if I wasen't a gamer as well. I've also used Mac OS as well, for Graphic design. but can do that just as well on windows with Photoshop or Linux with Gimp.

That being said I do love the new restore in Windows 8. Don't have to worry about the factory restore putting all the crapware back on my PC!

and that's my 2 cents