Ok, so firefox jumped on the anti tying suit, but what would happen if MS never had it's own browser? Would it be considered tying if Netscape was always included with Windows? After netscape falls it would either be Firefox or Safari preinstalled.
Honestly, it doesn't appear that you understand what has fully been going on. Opera lodged a complaint with the EU. After that point, the ball is in the EU's court. The complaint was VERY similar to the one made in 1998/1999 when the US investigated and brought charges against anti-competitive practices for MS's tying of IE to Windows. Opera didn't exactly sue MS. It was the EU who is bringing charges against MS. Opera doesn't stand to gain any money from it.
And I don't suppose you remember, but Mozilla actually stood behind Opera's stance and complaint against MS to the EU.
No company should have to produce an OS in order to compete in another market. It's complete bullshit and it does violate anti-competitive laws. After 10 years after the US vs MS lawsuit, I still feel that the US dropped the ball on the ruling in order to save MS's ass, because the original ruling would have literally split MS up.
Also since IE is part of the OS (which I think was the problem with tying) it should've been treated as just using Windows Explorer to browser the internet. That seems like a viable solution, MS puts a shortcut on the desktop and has windows explorer open a page. These arguements are pulling us backwards
This is completely laughable. Tying exists to benefit the company doing the tying. It's and anti-competitive practice. MS ties IE to Windows so that PC manufacturers have no incentive to pay other companies the rights to use their browser.
And I don't know how long you've been involved with computers, but I guess you don't seem to recall that Mac users, back in the 90s and up to 2002 didn't have an Apple provided browser. You know what Apple did? They licensed a browser, typically Netscape and IE, and provided them on their computers. My friend in 1995 got a brand new Mac, and on it was Netscape and IE.
I do remember seeing OSX with IE preinstalled, and I think it wasn't until 10.4 was released that Safari was included with the OS.
Nobody is arguing that a PC manufacture can't provide a browser on their PCs, but they should have a choice on who and what to use. I would have no problem if MS provided IE with retail copies of Windows either.
I disagree, MS may include IE with windows, yet you still see a few OEMs including other browsers in the OS. Therefore, the OEM does have a choice. And if they choose to leave IE as the primary browser it could be because it's the most popular and most familiar browser.
Edited by PurplePeopleEater, 07 April 2010 - 12:20 AM.