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#1 Eye Pie Rate

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:12 PM

I love politics.
I love debates.

I thought I'd start on here, noone take anything as personal offense, as some of you I guess will (but remember this is not aimed at anyone), its my opinions and beliefs, and while you may not agree with them, I would ask of anyone to at least midly respect them, and not take too much offense.

I'll start easy with some statements and explain them in detail.

1) I am anti-democratic
2) I do not believe in god, nor believe that it should exist in society.
3) I hate racism and most of all EXTREME PATRIOTISM.
4) I admire some "infamous" people, not for what the actually did necessarily, but for thier passion and dedication.

OK so explainations:

1) "Capitalism is a dirty business" Niko Bellic

It is the most true thing ever said in a Video Game.
Capitalism is dirty, it is a system of bureaucracy and fundamental GREED. The big dogs at the top get richer, the average joe poorer. That is literally how it works. It is a never ending cycle of corruption. It works, but it works with a catch, debt. As long as there is money, there is debt, the way the federal reserve works is abosolute BULLSHIT.

Here is a summary:

Bank asks fed res to print $100,000,000, they promise to pay it back.
Fed Res agrees but also charges INTEREST.
Bank gives out money ELECTRONICALLY. More money is added to the economy, but there is no physical state of it! It is just digits, no actual paper or gold or whatever. Now there is more money in circulation, everything goes up. This is called inflation.
Eventually the Fed Res asks for its loan back.
The bank however, (may or may not) have it.
If they do, repeat step one
If they don't, they are bankrupt.
Its a game of chance, like playing musical chairs, eventually, someone has no chair, and they are out.
Now the bank has no money, people panic, they want to withdraw money, this is even worse for the bank, now that people have withdrawn their cash, they have no money AT ALL. They go bust. This starts a world wide panic, people everywhere are withdrawing their live savings due to fear of losing it.
This is VERY VERY bad.
The banks now have no money, so they cant pay back thier debts!
This is basically what is happening in the world at the moment.
The masterminds to it are the people who run the federal reserve. It does not have to be like that. They do not have to even exist, nor charge interest or call back loans when ever they feel like it. Why do they do it? Because they can. Because they are greedy.
Its how capitalism works.

My poltical stand is something kind of a communist.
I don't believe in it really, but it is a noble idea, communism.
The problem with it is that it is very difficult to apply in a place larger than a village, but for me, thier beliefs are well founded and have good intentions, it what you DO with communism that is bad, not communism itself. And to people that say it can't work because history has shown us. I say, just because you fall off your bike, you get back on and have another go. Why give up?


2) I genuinlly believe that if you are a SANE and INTELLIGENT person, you SHOULDN'T believe in god. Its a childish idea. If you are good, you go to heaven. Its like telling a child, if you are good, I will reward you with something. Its the same concept. Why? Because its a method of control. Its there to control us. To keep us in place, to stop us from thinking for ourselves. Think about it, do you actually believe that there is a man in the sky that wants you to do his bidding, and if you don't you will BURN FOREVER IN HELL. But he loves you! Look at the world, I don't see love at all. If there is a god. He is an asshole.

3) If people are too patriotic, they believe that their country is the best, that it is the only way to live, that every other way is wrong. This is a element called "Assholium" , and it is bullshit. It leads only to grudges, hate and racism. And I hate racism. We are human. We are equally capable given the right circumstances. Any Nazi/KKK types out there, a big f**k YOU goes out to you right now.

4) He is the really big part most of you are going to hate.
I admire Stalin.
I admire Hitler.

STOP

Don't judge yet.
Wait.

I don't admire WHAT they did.
I admire HOW they did it, if that makes sense.
Like of course they were both madmen, crazy and wrong.
But there is a flip side, both were brillaint politicans but HORRIBLE people.
That doesn't mean you can't respect them to a degree, what happend to live thy nieghnour and respect your enemy.
They had passion, they did what they believed was right, and even though it wasn't, well you gotta give kudos for their passion, if hitler hadn't killed 6,000,000 jews and another 5,000,000 others, would the nazis have been a good government? You damn right they would have. They turned germany around. They took on the WORLD and NEARLY WON! That's gotta mean something. It means they were STRONG. Strong, but wrong :D.

Ite, so I needed to get that off my chest.
Don't look at me as some sort of NEO NAZI COMMUNIST, because I am far from it. But I think I am allowed to express my views and say what I think is right for me.

I'll leave you with this.
"It is from they enemies, not their friends, that civilizations learn to build high walls"

P.S

Feel free to criticize but I ask that if you COMPLETELY disagree you not be TOO violent, and remember don't let it get personal. I think we are allowed a debate? :P
I promise I will be accepting of every idea and opinion, even if I don't agree with it.

Edited by Eye Pie Rate, 12 February 2009 - 09:13 PM.


#2 CommonSense

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:24 PM

Bored much?

Damn if I didn't have 2 hours+ of homework I would read the whole thing. But yeah I read through capitalism, not the examples though.
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In America and every country, I see money as an illusion. It's not real. The governments print more money to supply people and give them this fake idea that this will make your life better. It doesn't. Every single time a dollar is printed, we go father into debt. There's no other way around it.

And due to the "network" of money around the world ($1= so many euros), then the economy will just keep falling. With America the most in debt, right in front of Britain, the world's economy will just drain away. Eventually, we will need to find a way around this. But right now, each country is going to suffer. EVERY COUNTRY.

Capitalism is the devil. It is a dirty game that the rich play and only the rich can win. Yes, you may come up with an extraordinary idea that puts you in their rich class, but it won't last forever. And truthfully, hitting the "big time" is getting slimmer and slimmer each day. So it's just a donkey chasing a carrot, for the poor and middle class.

Okay that's all I have for now. I'll be back with more. Once I finish my homework and read through Endrit's f**king essay :P

#3 Eye Pie Rate

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:29 PM

Cool bro.
I'm sure alot of people will be like "Endrit you are evil" but oh well :D

#4 CommonSense

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:31 PM

Cool bro.
I'm sure alot of people will be like "Endrit you are evil" but oh well :D

Yeah maybe. It's just voicing an opinion.

Edited by CommonSense, 12 February 2009 - 09:43 PM.


#5 RickSOLET

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:39 PM

It is your opinion, no hard feelings here!

#6 Eye Pie Rate

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:44 PM

Come on rick, give you ideas through, it is interesting to see where everyone stands.

#7 CommonSense

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 10:20 PM

I guess no one cares about your political views :P

#8 Eye Pie Rate

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 07:49 AM

Guess not. :D+

#9 ShamusHand

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:12 PM

I'll admit, communism sounds great on paper, but fails miserably when executed in the real world.

The main thing I have against Communism, though - it discourages individualism, and fails to reward hard work or innovation. I stand for what Voltaire believed - "We must cultivate our own garden.", which basically means you get what you work for, and you shouldn't depend on the government or others. Capitalism encourages hard work and individualism, and it works.

Note: As for your views on God, you got a minor detail wrong. God didn't create hell, nor will he sent you there. God will simply save you from hell if you follow his doctrines.

And sorry for bringing up this old thread... I just had to point out my views.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 07:08 PM

I only read the subtitles because I'm sure the rest is boring.

1) No. 2) Yes. 3) Yes. 4) Debatable.



Need to look at post dates more.


Edited by Bogo, 10 April 2009 - 08:10 PM.


#11 PurplePeopleEater

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 08:38 PM

I read the whole thing and I started thinking but I have nothing to add because I cant type as smart as you.

However I do believe our resources are running out. The money is getting bloated, the money is getting focused into small groups and the rest of the people dont have enough. It's like two people get 9/10 of a cake and 10 others have to share 1/10.

I think there should be a time when the money is set equal again, though I'm sure the people who earned the money would complain. I think they should implement something to reset the distribution of riches.

But also I believe though that all of the finger picking we are doing to the economy is in itself making it worse in the long run. Its like messing with the permissions of files on windos after you just got them working again. Why do it?

Finally, I think a method should be implemented to counter the baby boomer generation. It would be argued as unfair but what ever happened to "the sins of our father is passed down to us"? Something should be done to fix everything, forget fairness, I'd rather see everyone treated equally, same laws and restrictions in a massice repairing of todays standards. Once everything is repaired everything can continue normally.

The final war (Democracy-Communism) IS going to take place in my mind, and something serious IS going to happen in 2012. Tension is building and at such at a increasing rate it becomes easier and easier for my to believe that 2012 is going to be a massive war. Whether it ends the human race or create peace again I cannot decide.

I dont believe in Communism because it results in everything being done half-assed. I think enthusiasts should be given the right to carry on their hobbies without the restricions communism creates. However on the otherside I believe Democracy should raise their standards and support the poor better. Communism helps the poor and Democracy helps variety.

Together some better from of government that works in reality, looks good on paper and is generally agreed upon should still be the goal. All countries should drop thier patriotism and meet (United Nations) and rather discuss todays problems work on the creation of a better form of government. Dictatorship should not be an option, I think it should be run on three different levels of power. The first level the people the second elected by the people (like congress) and the third elected by the people and the congress together, using checks and balances to control the power.

I did have something to say :P

I just dumped my thoughts so dont question organisation.

@Common Sense it took me 10min not 20 :P

Edited by PurplePeopleEater, 10 April 2009 - 08:39 PM.


#12 Eye Pie Rate

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 04:27 PM

Communism doesn't have to mean the end of individualism.
Just because you are not getting paid more, doesn't mean you can't do a better job.

The whole problem with communism is GREED.
If a society truly wanted communism and believed in it, it would work.

Communism requires that people think not for themselves but for each other as a whole.

Again, it is a good idea on paper, but hard to put in practise.

Infact, the internet can be compared as a communist environment.
Open-source?
Piracry?

Where information is free and people JOIN A COMMUNITY ARE SHARE WITH EACH OTHER?
Sounds like Communism.

I think that there will be a war where the internet (literally) will wage war on reality.
Or something like that.

Edited by Eye Pie Rate, 14 April 2009 - 04:29 PM.


#13 PurplePeopleEater

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 04:44 PM

Yes but, some jobs that truely need more money to operate would be inacesssable.

Suppose you want to program for high end computers and you cant work extra for a little more money to buy that, how would you get it?

Secondly, communism is never completely level if a dictator is controlling the government.

I guess Communism could work if there was a higher moral for it but, have you ever seen the products produced by a communist country? They have no will to make better products so the products that meet a Communist standard, dont compare to the products produced when theres no competition in the market.

This is why I think the prime form of government doesnt even exist yet, a blend between the best of the two largest forms of government.

The leveled out communist standards and the competitive capitalism of a democracy.

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 04:46 PM

Basically i like communism idea too (i hate capitalism so much as i've ever said) but otherwise i still believe in God (or just call it socialism, maybe?) However it's just my personal opinion though... :rolleyes:

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 12:32 PM

Second CPR

CLEAR!

There's a term before industrial revolution called fugalism. It means you use your environment efficiently so that it will not be destroyed but then, you will not get rich in any way. anyway just sharing.

My Points:
Business:
Do you need business? Do we need to sell hundreds and thousands of plushie dolls to kids just to make them happy? plushie dolls cost as mush as 1$ dollar I guess multiplied by 1 million plushie dolls sold per year, and a park, costing i dunno, maybe a 500,000 or less will give the fun that a child with a cotton sack and MORE. Why business? Why don't we make our stuff for ourselves? Or if we can't, why make a hundred and bother to sell it to people? Why market the new electric toothbrush that automatically whites your molars when it's not that of effort to toothbrush?

Government:
In any system, government is a way to easily balance issues when things go wrong. Example: civil wars. It's crucial to have government in order to have law and to have justice, but what government? Something average that changes with time or something very good that will end? We don't know people. Government is what people say if they talk about Politics. And that's why politics is a offending issue. Everyone has a religion, then everyone has a political stand.

People:
People are the passengers of this political stands. For example, in a taxi named CAPITALISM, the fare depends on your trip. In a bus called COMMUNISM, the fare is fixed unless you go too far. If the person will go 4 km he needs to pay alot of amount in taxi, while in bus, he can pay half the price. If the person will go in a block nearby, he needs to pay alot of amount in communism while paying half the price in a taxi. You see the symbolism of the taxi and the bus?

Climbing to the top of the capitalism = lots of money
Climbing with the society in communism = half of it

Get a cheap car in communism = lots and lots of funds
Get a cheap car in capitalism = half of it

Last Point of All: Media aka Internet aka Commercials
Media is a way to propagate info, even if it may be false, true, maybe or unknown. And it thrives in capitalism. Not gonna say about communism but yah. We watch 9000 hours of commercials in our lifetime today. We buy Adobe Photoshop cause it's awesome while there's paint.net, gimp and thepiratebay. i think that explains it.

CapitalismDemocracy's weakness, money, is god given to communism. Communism's weakness, the government, is god given to democracy. That's the basics.

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